In a world where the stars dictate so much of our lives, have you ever wondered how a new mom embraces the spotlight—with a polished look and heels, no less? During a recent conversation, Bumble CEO Whitney Wolfe Herd couldn’t help but recall Meghan Markle’s stunning post-birth appearance as she introduced her son Archie to the world. Meanwhile, Wolfe candidly reflected on her own struggles with postpartum life, joking about the monumental task of answering the door for takeout in a robe, while Meghan maintained her glamorous facade in front of millions. As they discussed the complexities of postpartum emotions—those dizzying, often confusing moments of new motherhood—it’s clear that whether you’re royalty or a regular Joe, navigating this unfamiliar terrain is no easy feat! So grab a snack, settle in, and let’s dive into this delightful exploration of motherhood, self-image, and the sometimes ridiculous expectations placed upon women, all under the tender gaze of the cosmos. Interested in finding out more?

“I mean, I’ll never forget the image of you after you delivered Archie and the whole world was, like, waiting for his debut,” Wolfe Herd said. “I was either just becoming or about to become a new mom, and I was like, ‘Oh my God, how is this woman doing this? Like, how is this woman putting on heels and going and debuting a child in this, you know, beautiful outfit in front of the entire world?’” 

Listen to the rest of their conversation on Meghan’s new Lemonada Media production here.

This article originally appeared on HuffPost.

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